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#436 - 10/03/08 12:43 AM
Deaf and Dumb/deaf mute????
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The reason is that I bring it up again is because many people are still misleading to educate other people who want to learn the truth from the positive reinforcement I like to share with you again. I am getting fed up with these negative term of deaf and dumb or Deaf and Mute over and over again. Nowadays they are still seeing a very negative reinforcement about us being deaf and our speechreading or lip-readings that has in a mute, we feel more comfortable and are capable to express our true inner soul without being force us to speak with our Deaf voices with ASL. This does not success in our Deaf lives by their own audist attitudes. So therefore what do you want from us beside our Deaf voices/oral speaking that doesn't go anywhere. After all we did our part but that has not solve any issues. Since I am going to say many people have no common sense since Deaf to deaf, deaf to deaf, deaf to latened Deaf and latened Deaf to Hearing do not understand each other because it's too much complicated for having to mislead and misunderstand without any ASL, and it also affect our Deaf education all along, as usual. We do read their lip movements. This exists with or without voices, however it doesn't take us anywhere. We all do not hear nor are we capable to hear everything. This is with any kind of spoken languages with or without devices. It's still having a conflict with problems going on and denying to themselves . What the heck! People with audist attitutes tried to do the coverage of being deaf itself. Sorry pal, once you born or become deaf that is a legally deaf that doesn't make you having a normal hearing like Hearing people. This has nothing to do with A "NOT ENOUGH" deaf because this term doesn't make any sense anymore.. We are a legally deaf with or without devices as is. PERIOD! I must emphasize that "Mute" doesn't mean that we cannot speak without a voice. Because many of us do watch facial while we use our American Sign Language. Also, we do yell , scream, and make some noise that comes out with mumbling voices. It's not a mute at all so what is your point for labeling us MUTE which itself is as a very negative word? Also I prefer to use a mute ( turn off my deaf voice ) because it helps me focus, express, think, capable to communicate with the concept of ASL, to built up creative thinking, and get more ASL education to have it be proper be part of a learning process with our American Sign Language all along. Matter of fact, that 'mute' is to turn off our Deaf voices, we prefer to use to avoid the confusion by inferring the true expression and feelings from oral speaking. So therefore, also, how is it determined that the kid needs a device anyway? D/deafs have done well without a device and there is so much evidence that Deaf people with a very healthy mental/physical were successful all along. That is what ticks me off after all they screwed me and many deafies up since we were a little innocent children until today's it s still happens to Deaf children out there. I can speak fairly well but it doesn't take me anywhere so what the heck are you trying to do these Deaf children's lives for your own selfish/money reasons? Don't you realize it that these devices and the need for it are manufactured like a robot being hearing? That is not normal/natural for us to hear the unnatural sounds and our being deaf as is. Without a device, some things that I am capable to hear naturally like a loud beep button or loud music or anything that it make a real loud noise. I couldn't stand to hear the sounds anymore that is too much annoying to hear it. We can feel this most of the time. What irritates me is that people believe what the MD's (doctors) tell the parents without even thinking about it seriously. That's one of my biggest objections, there is NO guarantee, AND the person has to have their hearing that may exist taken away to make them almost 100% deaf in both sides. To take something away so it can be replaced just is freaking stupid or selfish by Audist people who don't care about us as being deaf and our mental health. We tried to educate them about the truth of being deaf itself that is the way who we are. So here are these quotes from "For Hearing people only" book which means that are for deaf and hearing people who think themselves as hearing people who need to open up their eyes and think twice before you destroy our Deaf community and Deaf babies/children's boundary. Some of you deafies are too conformist that is a must to accept by hearing people's negative view of being deaf itself. People degrade/destroy Deaf people and Deaf languages of the Deaf community that you are allowed to yourself and our Deaf Humans happens. Scoffs! NO wonder we are on high tripled disabilities already by AGBell's hatred and negative view of Deaf human as being deaf human. They failed us for so many years. It still happens in today's society. That is SO sad for having these people who denied too much and keep on with the damage of our Deaf ears and our confidence of being deaf that does or does not have a mute in our mouth with ASL. There is a reason for us to have ASL. Believe it or not! I was a Child Poster with a head phone in the newspaper in the past. What does it tells you?  There are few positive and too many negative sides of being a Shadow hearing person today while I worked so hard for nothing. Don't tell me that I can be like you as a "hearing" person. Thanks! I am a Deaf natural person from my own true inner soul not yours. Have a Happy Reading!  Deaf SweetMind HERE YOU GO!  "For Hearing People Only" (Third Edition) by Matthew S Moore and Linda Levitan. With a foreward by Harlan Lane. Both are Deaf so forth, Linda is Latened Deaf.
Chapter 37 Page 213
Is it OK to use the term "deaf-mute" in reference to a deaf person who can't talk? No, it's no longer an acceptable term. "Mute" prefers to someone who cannot talk, that is, produce intelli-gible speech, or someone who has malfunctioning or missing vocal cords. "Mutism" is a medical or psychological condition_the inability or refusal to produce sounds. Virtually all deaf person are physically and psychologically normal in this area. They have vocal cords and voices, just as the vast majority of hearing people do. This also applies to deaf people who prefer to communicate exclusively in sign language. Their vocal apparatus is perfectly normal. But, being deaf, they cannot hear themselves talk, and thus, cannot easily modulate their voices. Consider: If you were born deaf or became deaf as an infant and have never heard yourself talk, it's extremely difficult to talk clearly, with normal intonation. So signing is the natural mode of communication for many deaf people; speaking can never be. A few deaf people have good clear articulation__better than some hearing people__but most don't. It's a matter of personal preference, deciding what we feel most comfortable with.
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Why Isn't "deaf and dumb" an acceptable term?
Think about the last time you used the word "dumb". you used it to describe something stupid, clumsy, or foolish, right? A century ago, this term was in common use. Nobody thought twice about its propriety. It's outmoded now, and insultingly inaccurate. We're aware that this term is still used in England to describe someone who is deaf, but that doesn't say much for the discernment of those who persist in using it. As for the correct term, why not simply say "deaf"?
A note on "politically correct" terms
Originally, the terms "deaf-mute" and "deaf-and-dumb" were not considered pejorative: they simply referred to a severely or profoundly deaf person who didn't speak. "Semi-mute: referred to a moderately deaf or one who had become deaf after learning how to speak, both of whom could profit from articulation training. Nobody thought twice about the political correctness of such terminology. The American School for the Deaf was first called "The Connecticut Asylum, at Hartford, for the Education and Instruction of Deaf and Dumb Persons, although, it should be noted some of the deaf people involved disliked having "Asylum" in the title. The original name of Gallaudet University was "Columbia Institution for the Deaf, Dumb, and Blind," then, after it was chartered, "National Deaf-Mute College." (It was renamed "Gallaudet College" in 1894.) The first publication in the "Little Paper Family" (1849 was The Deaf Mute. At its1880 founding, the National Association of the Deaf called itself "National Convention of Deaf-Mutes." No disrespect was intended or inferred. These terms simply reflected the prevailing 19th-century belief that deafness causes muteness.
Ironically, it was the oralist who began trying to abolish the term "mute." They made grandiose claims that all deaf children could be be taught how to speak. But the Deaf community (who knew better) refused to believe it. They did not want to speak, and did not want to be identified as speaking deaf. Because the oralist tried to suppress sign language in favor of speech, Deaf leaders preferred to continue calling themselves "deaf-mutes," as it made the oralist uncomfortable. Identifying oneself as a "deaf-mute" thus became a symbolic act of defiance to the oralists' explicit goal of "making the deaf speak." it was wielded as a cultural badge of pride. As the great Deaf leader George Beditz remarked, "If oral magicians who yank educational rabbits out of silk hats and pearls of speech out of the mouths of those who have never heard, choke over it, why, bless'em!"
Nonetheless, the terms "deaf-and-dumb" and "deaf-mute" gradually faded from acceptable usage. Sensibilities have changed since Veditz made his whimsical comment. All deaf children now get a stiff dose of speech training( we have the oralists to thank for that), so there is little point in splitting the deaf population artificially into speaking and nonspeaking categories. "Deaf-and-dumb and "deaf-mute" are now politically incorrect, period.
We dislike these terms because they now convey a negative attitude. "Deaf and dumb" does not connote pride or wholeness. It conjures a pitiful, pathetic, dull-witted image, with a hint of subnormal intelligence. "Deaf-Mute" suggests that a deaf person is doomed to a life of silence, without speech, without hope. We've run into these terms repeatedly, and we find them annoying, inaccurate, and insulting.
How widespread are the terms "deaf-and-dumb" and "deaf-mute." They seem to be more common in England and Canada than here, although that's not saying very much. We've seen several examples of headlines from the British press that made us cringe, but then, we've seen American headlines that were just as bad. In England, "deaf and dumb" is used to describe even deaf people who can speak clearly. The British Deaf Association, for one, has been waging a public-education campaign against this term. But entrenched attitudes, and the thoughtless terminology that reflects them, die hard.
We have found the term "deaf-mute" in contemporary books (e.g.. A Day in the Life of America). This is bothersome, because a book's influence is more permanent and perasive than that of a newspaper. Books are kept. They have influence. Staying power. Once they 're published, they rowed and re-borrowed, read and reread by school children and adults. And you can't fire off a letter to the author that gets published in next Monday's morning edition.
We have also seen these terms on television, not from the anchors or reporters, but from hearing people being interviewed. Actual eamples: "He's a deaf-mute." "My neighbor's a mute." "She's deaf and mute and went to the deaf-and-dumb school." A number of hearing people who really should know better are caught using phrases like these. If you're going to be quoted by the press or a TV reporter, please think twice! (Or just think!)
We'd like to note that [b]DEAF LIFE has an occasional feature, "Oh,No! Not Again!", which "showcases" examples of these offensive terms as used in contemporary media Readers have sent in examples and we've run across a number of them ourselves. We find them all over the place.
So what are the correct terms? Understandably, some hearing people find the simple, blunt, four-letter word "deaf" a bit hard to swallow. : Deaf" can mean not only "unable to hear, " but "heedless" or "unwilling to listen." Common expressions such as "deaf to their pleas," "their appeal fell on deaf ears," " turned a deaf ear, " and " the silence was deafening," have a decidely negative connotation. To some people, "deaf" still connotes something shameful. Recent euphemisms include "hearing impaired," "hearing-handicapped," "hearing-disabled," "auditorily handicapped," and "non-hearing." Most deaf people disllike these terms, as they promote a negative image of deaf people as broken ears or malfunctioning machinery. "Deaf" refers to the medical fact of hearing loss, but can also designate pride and cultural affiliation (i.e., "Deaf"). Fussy terms like " auditorily-handicapped" don't.
Some members of our community honestly prefer "hearing-impaired" to the more archaic "hard of hearing" __and vice versa. "Hearing-impaired" may be useful as a way of designating all those with various degrees of deafness, including mild, moderate, severe, and profound hearing loss. But those who insist on using this term should best employ it in combination, i.e., "deaf/hearing-impaired/hard-of-hearing.: That way, nobody left out. The majority of deaf people prefer the simple term "deaf."
We'd like to note that the International Federation of the Hard of Hearing, the World Federation of the Deaf, NAD, and the Pennsylvania Society for the Advancement of the Deaf, have all agreed that the term" hearing-impaired" is no longer acceptable, and that "deaf/hard-of-hearing" should be used in all future references.
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"Light of Love"in our ASL culture. ASL is a form of speech and gives LOVE for all humanity kids.
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#522 - 04/19/09 05:50 PM
Re: Deaf and Dumb/deaf mute????
[Re: SweetMind]
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Sweetmind, People find what they are looking for. If they want to find stuff to reinforce a negative attitude about being deaf they will find it. Perhaps a better way of putting this is that their interpretation of what they find will reinforce their negativity. Those who wish to mislead others about the Deaf Community seem to be in a power-trip. There is absolutely NO need to lip-read (which is almost impossible anyway). Likewise, there is NO need to speak with deaf voice. MOF, last night I went back to Deaf Club for the first time in almost a year. The people there were very receptive and the communication was sign only. Was the communication total and respectful?  Yep! *IF* some could use voice as well it didn't matter. Audism is like other attitudes. What can it do? How can anyone possibly benefit from that kind of attitude? Covering up being deaf is impossible. Even should other people be fooled, the one person who can never be fooled is the one trying to *cover up* being deaf. Education involves abilities to learn and process information. Should someone say that hearing is essential to learning then I would ask them why are people quiet in the library? Hmmm ... latest I've known, libraries are for *learning*! Of course we watch facials. So do hearies. They pay attention to facial expressions and overall body-language. Heck no, "mute" has no meaning at all. Well, on a remote-control for a TV there is a mute button. But in terms of deafies this word has zero meaning. None ... zilch ... nada. As far as Deaf go, when referring to non-verbal that is just it - "non-verbal". Besides, being non-verbal helps in the communication. That way, the message is clear and shows thought. Like anyone else, kids do *NOT* need devices. What they DO need is to be respected as they are. That way they can experience life without having to rationalize who they are to those with an attitude that is non-healthy. Further, the choosing of mechanisms to *help* cuts off future choices should a non-invasive option appear in the future. Educating people about deaf reality is a necessary thing to do. There are *many* lacking this awareness. True, *For Hearing People Only* is a good start. This will give a stimulus to future learning.  The so-called "hearing" of sounds in a way that is not natural (therefore, "false") is both a lie and a waste of resources. When someone is told that a device will be "like natural hearing" they are being lied to! Ooops! I guess after endless hours of therapy and practice they *might* be able to *guess* correctly what something was. But the question remains - are they benefitting from the device or the therapy? Inquiring minds wish to know.  True, many people believe what they are told by MDs. Those who dare to question the MD are using important cognitive processes to formulate their question(s); cognitive processes that are both a part of learning as well as a means of learning in and of itself. People who try to destroy means of D/deaf communication probably do not use it themselves. Therefore, they have no idea what they wish to destroy. Those who do use it and st the same time try to destroy it are foolish. Why are they foolish? Duh!! If they are trying to destroy that which they themselves use the answer is obvious. 
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#535 - 04/30/09 09:09 PM
Re: Deaf and Dumb/deaf mute????
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Sweetmind, To begin with, the topic shows a misunderastandiing about the Deaf community that many people have. With "Dumb" having the meaning of being non-verbal - as contrasted with the stereotypical meaning - that is a fallacy. Many D/deaf are both deaf and verbal. This would, of course, depend on the type deafness someone has along with many other variables. True, there is a lot of negativity about being deaf and/or non-verbal. However, this comes from those who operate from ignorance. The message(s) from the true inner soul have nothing to do with verbalization, or the degree of it! This type message is more from actions than words. Those who want deafs to be vocal are using a meaningless goal. The message is clear by signing and by actions. Demands of verbalization are only to benefit the person doing the demanding. The demands of verbalization take away from the education a deaf student may recieve. What part of the education is gained from this? Trying to lipread is a joke! Pah! What if the person uses little lip movement? What then? Correct, once a person is deaf that is it! They are deaf for the rest of their life. True, watching facials is very important. And, "mute" is a negative word. Whether or not someone intends the negativity, it still exists. It is not descriptive like "non-verbal" is. This is a more descriptive and accurate phrase. True, ASL in education is part of the learning process. When using visual and motor skills, the benefit is there. The way it is determined that a kid needs a device is (unfortunately) made by those with auditory priorities. This decision is made by those who are operating from a prejudiced baclground. Correct it is neither natural nor normal to use a device in a deaf child. Especially when the device is not guaranteed to work! I'm not gonna go buy a car when it does not come with a warranty! So, why should I get a device that has similar flaws? Your quote from "FHPO" are well used; I would recommend this book to anyone seeking to learn more. It is very conscise and accurate. AGB was totally ignorant both in his goals and the means by which he sought to achieve them.  His institutionalized prejudice has carried on to this day. Many D/deafs can be vocal but it is with extreme efforts that this happens. Further, many are vocal but the meaning and/or clarity is not there. So why be forced to be vocal? "Semi-mute"? LOL The position that "all" deaf children should be taught to speak is ignorant and does not recognize the variability in vocalizations by deaf children. The negative attitudes exist today. They may not be manifested in vocabulary but these atitudes still exist. Anchors and/or reporters usually have their reports edited; while everyone involved is more educated today than before, ignorance still slips in on ocassion. The offensive terms are ocassionally in contemporary media because this media reflects the usage in society. Words such as "hearing-impaired" are extremely non-descriptive. They disallow for the variability of deafness as well as the inclusion in the "D"eaf community. Should I say that I'm "Mets - impaired" because I am a Yankees fan?
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